HomeMy WebLinkAbout08/10/2004 - Study SessionCITY OF NEWPORT BEACH
City Council Minutes
Study Session
August 10, 2004 - 4:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Rosansky, Bromberg, Webb, Nichols, Mayor Ridgeway
Absent: Heffernan, Adams — excused
CURRENT BUSINESS
1. CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR - None.
2. BALBOA BAY CLUB UPDATE.
City Manager Bludau reported that Council Member Bromberg requested this
item.
Planning Director Temple reported that the Balboa Bay Club has its occupancy
permit and is in full operation. She indicated that the issues that were unresolved
prior to the issuance of the occupancy permit have almost been fully resolved. She
stated that there were building code issues related to path of travel and access
which were resolved to the satisfaction of the building inspector. She noted that
the Public Works Department had concerns about strict compliance with the
approved site plan, particularly as it related to curbs and access to a portion of one
of the parking structures. She stated that those were resolved by altering the
landscaping, changing the way the kiosk operated, and understanding the access
limitation to that portion of the parking structure.
Ms. Temple stated that placing signs in appropriate locations took a bit of work
between the Planning Department and the Club's sign consultants to ensure they
were fabricated so they remained visible. She indicated that, after a couple of
prototypes, City staff and Coastal Commission staff felt satisfied with the public
access signage installations. She reported that there are public welcome signs at
either side of the main entrance, and there are signs directing the public to the
bay and to the hotel's public facilities. She added that there is a sign outside of
the Club that indicates which facilities are fully accessible to the public.
Ms. Temple indicated that there were issues regarding the maintenance of the
public view corridors as established by the original Planned Community. She
reported that the Club removed the vines that were installed in front of the open,
wrought iron fence which would've covered the fence and obscured the sightline
over time. She indicated that adjusting the exterior lighting to address concerns
regarding glare and the concealment of light sources probably took the most
amount of time and cost for the Club.
Ms. Temple reported that the major issue is compliance with a Coastal
Commission permit requirement regarding the accessibility of parking to the
general public. She stated that special conditions were written which the Club
believed to mean that the public had access to the facility because there was a
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modest valet parking charge which allowed them entry. However, City staff and
Coastal Commission staff felt this was not consistent with the spirit and intent of
what they wanted to achieve relative to maintaining public accessibility to the
property. She noted that the site is considered tidelands by the State and the
prior use of a private club and private residential area were not consistent with
tidelands uses. She reported that, in order to maintain the apartments, it was
understood that the new part of the facility was to be publicly accessible and that
the valet parking was probably an obstacle to that. She indicated that the Club
proposed reinstating self, parking, and this was approved by the Coastal
Commission within the last couple of months. She added that the Club is in the
process of bidding out and obtaining the equipment and signage necessary to
implement this in about a month.
Ms. Temple reported that, when the project was approved, there was a question
about where physical public access could be achieved. She stated that the exhibit
in the staff report depicts what was approved by the City and the Coastal
Commission. She noted that there is a walkway that runs from the right side of
the main entry to the front of the hotel bay front. She noted that the path is
actually just short of the bayshores property line due to the driveway access to the
east structure. She reported that there never was a requirement to make the
beach accessible to the general public nor is there a public accessway in front of
the apartment portion of the project since the area is constricted and would
seldom be used. She added that the beach can only be used by members of the
Club and anyone staying at the hotel. She stated that the City and the Coastal
Commission were comfortable with this because the beach is small and already
highly utilized.
Council Member Bromberg stated that he had questions about the beach, but they
were answered and added that he was not aware that the Coastal Commission
weighed in on this issue. He requested and received clarification from Ms. Temple
that people are currently required to use valet parking because the second plan
has not been fully implemented yet. She stated that the first half hour of valet
parking is free, but the next three hours can be charged or made free by validation
if they purchase goods or services at the hotel. She noted that additional signage
and control gate mechanisms need to be installed before self parking can take
place. She stated that the City did not place any restrictions on charging for
parking and this is within the approval of the Coastal Commission. She indicated
that unlimited free parking was not required.
Council Member Bromberg indicated that there is always a comparison between
Marinapark and the Balboa Bay Club. He asked that something come back
relative to the history of the arrangement the City has with the Club. He noted
that the facility is on tidelands and, even though the Club is open to the public, for
all intensive purposes it is a private facility. He indicated that many people have
felt uncomfortable entering the facility because it is more a private club than not.
Council Member Rosansky stated that he has also heard parallels between the
proposed Marinapark development and the Balboa Bay Club. He indicated that
he hopes that whatever the City learned with the Balboa Bay Club will be applied
to the Marinapark project, if the voters approve it, because public access is a
concern. He stated that this may be a different situation since there are public
streets on either side of Marinapark.
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In response to Mayor Ridgeway's questions, Ms. Temple indicated that there isn't.
a number of parking spaces that are dedicated for free parking. She stated that
there currently is a sign that indicates that the first half hour of valet parking to
the public is free and explains the additional time with validation. She indicated
that the person currently at the kiosk will direct people to the valet station;
however, when the change occurs, there will also be signage about self parking,
signage with directions to the self parking location, and a person at the kiosk to
assist the public. Mayor Ridgeway believed that there is some confusion at the
kiosk, but at least the Coastal Commission and the Planning Department staff
made it inviting to come through the front gate.
Dave Wooten, CEO of the Balboa Bay Club, confirmed that the first half hour of
valet parking is free and that there is up to three hours of free parking with
validation for any purchase, even a stick of gum. He indicated that he does not
have a count as to how many people use the site, but reported that they have
4,000 to 4,500 overnight rooms available per month and they are running in
excess of 50% occupancy. He noted that well over 1,000 hotel guests will use the
facility, emphasizing that this does not include people who come to the Club for
lunch, drinks, dancing, or to walk around. Mr. Wooten stated that it disturbs
them to hear that people didn't know that the Club was open to the public. He
noted that the hotel is a public hotel and all the facilities to the left are open to the
public, except for one dining room in the hotel that is for members only.
Council Member Bromberg reported that he's been told that people don't feel
welcome at the Club. He relayed what happened to him P/2 hours ago when he
pulled up to the kiosk and asked the guard if there was any parking for the public
other than valet parking. Mr. Wooten reported that they are striving very hard to
achieve a five diamond/five star rating and educate their staff to exhibit the
highest standard of courtesy. He stated that he hears similar stories, but for
every one of those stories, he hears many comments about the quality of the
reception. Council Member Bromberg reported that this wasn't the first time this
has happened to him.
Mayor Ridgeway indicated that he was insistent to the kiosk guard about a month
ago that there was a place for self parking. Mr. Wooten reported that there
currently is no self parking and there will not be until they can install the controls
that Ms. Temple mentioned. He believed that this may take about a month but he
doesn't have a schedule for the installation of the equipment and signage.
Mr. Wooten reported that they have a consultant who works with the Ritz Carlton
and Four Seasons, and trains their employees how to interact with the public in a
positive manner. He stated that what happened to Council Member Bromberg is
serious and telling to him. He indicated that he will mention the incident to
Mr. Shehan when he goes back to the Club. Council Member Bromberg reported
that this also happened to him seven months ago.
Mr. Wooten stated that he is happy to meet with the City Council to provide a
history of the Balboa Bay Club as it relates to the City. Council Member Webb
noted that he saw a 35th anniversary book about the Balboa Bay Club and asked if
anything in the book relays the history. Mr. Wooten stated that he would be glad
to provide Council with the book, Host of the Coast, noting that it will probably
bring Council up to date until about 1985. He reported that a provision in the
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1986 25 -year lease was that, if the Balboa .Bay Club went through the
redevelopment approval process, the Club would be given a new 50 -year lease.
Council Member Nichols reported that when he went to the Club for meetings, the
guard directed him to self parking which was abundant. He stated that he didn't
feel like he was going into a private club and was pleased with his experiences.
He indicated that he wasn't aware that he had to use valet parking.
Dolores Otting, Newport Beach, stated that she was happy when the signs along
Coast Highway were taken down; however, sometimes the signs welcoming the
public have fallen over or are in the bushes. She indicated that, when the public
enters the Club, they come in from the other side. She stated that the Club
installed a bench, but suggested installing another bench and a trash can. She
asked how much parking costs and when they started paying full lease rent to the
City. She noted that they advertise on the radio and do want people to come
there. Council Member Webb reported that the Club has been paying full rent
since April 2003. Ms. Temple clarified that there were problems with the
temporary prototype signs; however, there shouldn't be any problems with the
permanent signs.
3. MARINE LIFE REFUGE PROGRAM BY SURFRIDER.
Assistant City Manager Kiff stated that this first came to the Coastal/Bay Water
Quality Committee and it was suggested that Surfrider bring this concept to
Council.
Nancy Hastings, Southern California Field Coordinator for the Surfrider
Foundation, stated that Surfrider and the Orange County Coastkeepers request
that Council support the implementation of the Marine Life Protection Act
(MLPA). She utilized a PowerPoint presentation, reporting that the MLPA and
the Marine Managed Areas Improvement Act both passed legislation in 1999. She
stated that the MLPA mandates a redesign of California's marine protected areas
(MPA) to improve the protection of marine life, habitat, and ecosystems. She
noted that this is the Department of Fish and Game's responsibility. She
indicated that the Marine Managed Areas Improvement Act focuses on
simplifying the way MPAs are classified. Ms. Hastings stated that the goals of the
MLPA go beyond fishing regulations and discusses ecosystem management. She
reported that the MLPA protects diversity, abundance of marine life, structure,
function, and integrity of the ecosystems; improves recreational and educational
research opportunities provided by these areas that have limited disturbances
from man; sustains, conserves, and protects marine life population; and protects
areas for their natural heritage for their intrinsic value.
Ms. Hastings reported that an MPA is any area in the marine environment that's
set aside by Federal, State, territorial, tribal, or local laws to provide long term
protection for some or all of the resources inside the boundaries. She stated that
natural events affect the marine ecosystems; however habitat destruction, over
fishing, introduced species, pollution, and coastal development also affects the
ecosystems. She reported that over fishing occurs when people take resources out
of the ocean at a rate in which it can no longer sustain itself. She stated that
another type of habitat destruction occurs when top predators are taken out of the
food chain.
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Ms. Hastings reported that there are over 2,000 MPAs in the world, but less than
1% of the world's oceans and less than .01% of United State's oceans are "no take
marine reserves ". She noted that there are 62 MPAs in California, but 19 of them
are marine reserves. She reported that the only no take marine reserve in Orange
County is at Heisler Park, but it is very small. Ms. Hastings displayed a map of
MPAs in Orange County and clarified that a lot of the areas were established in
the 1960s and 1970s with the science that was available then. She indicated that
science today tells them that these areas need to have better connectivity and
larvae dispersal, and the currents need to be taken into account. Further, some of
these areas are areas of special biological significance which deal with illegal
discharges but nothing to do with protecting the species or habitat within them.
She stated that there is scientific consensus that MPAs will increase the size of
individuals, increase population density, create greater biodiversity within the
regions, and preserve ecosystem integrity. Ms. Hastings reported that when fish
get fat and old, they reproduce exponentially. However, even with catch limits,
bigger fish are still allowed to be caught.
Ms. Hastings reported that, when the law passed in 1999, scientists came up with
the maps, which meant there was no public involvement. She stated that, in
2002 -2003, they started again with seven regional working groups that included a
broad range of stakeholders. She indicated that they were having a lot of progress
until the budget crisis hit, and the process fell apart in January 2004 when they
put the MLPA on indefinite hold. She reported that, when Governor
Schwarzenegger released his Ocean Resources Management Strategy, the
Department of Fish and Game updated its website and indicated that there was a
renewed interest in implementing the law. She noted that it will start in the
central coast region and all other regions will be implemented between 2006 and
2011. Ms. Hastings stated that waiting until 2011 is not good enough since there
are affordable ways to implement this sooner. She requested that Council adopt a
resolution asking that this be implemented as creatively and as quickly as
possible, and that it involve all the stakeholders (scientists, commercial fishermen,
recreational fishermen, and anyone else who has an interest in protecting these
resources).
In response to Council Member Webb's questions, Ms. Hastings stated that there
is a huge concern about managing and monitoring the areas once they are
established. She indicated that an affordable way to implement this is to look at
areas that already have land -based management. She noted that Crystal Cove
State Park has State staff on land and, since California waters only extend three
miles, it would not be too difficult to train them to use binoculars to see if there is
illegal activity or fishing occurring and to report it to the Department of Fish and
Game. She stated that this would cut down their responsibility for doing ocean -
based management and monitoring. Ms. Hastings added that the Orange County
Coastkeepers conducts kelp restoration projects and are always on the water
monitoring those areas.
Nancy Gardner stated that non - profit groups like Surfrider and Coastkeepers can
approach the scientific community who will sometimes volunteer their time. She
indicated that they will be working also to bring in stakeholders and not depend
on the State's budget to do this process for them.
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Assistant City Manager Kiff noted that there is a draft resolution in the staff
report and that it will be brought back to Council at the next regular meeting.
Ms. Hastings requested an opportunity to update the resolution to say they want
the MLPA to be implemented in Southern California. She reported that they
presented outreach packets to the Coastal/Bay Water Quality Committee and
have extras if Council wants them.
City Manager Bludau asked if there are any areas along the coast in more need of
protection. Ms. Hastings indicated that the majority of the California coastline
has been hammered. She stated that areas should also be identified that were
once abundant but aren't anymore, set them up as a marine reserve, and allow the
science community and Coastkeepers the opportunity to restore the area. She
added that this has minimal displacement of the fishermen.
Mayor Ridgeway agreed that the waters here have been over - fished. He stated
that he chairs the Coastal/Bay Water Quality Committee and was concerned
about the fishing industry not participating in the process; however, as written,
the fishing industry is invited and made a part of the resolution.
Council Member Bromberg stated that he would like to see this come back. He
indicated that the fishing industry should attend the meeting and weigh in on this
issue. He noted that the City has been recognized nationally for what it does with
the saltwater and this resolution is just another thing that should be done.
Council Member Webb suggested that, "That the foregoing is true, correct and
adopted" be deleted in the resolution.
4. TRAFFIC COLLISIONS RESULTING FROM RED LIGHT VIOLATIONS.
Transportation/Development Services Manager Edmonston reported that this was
brought to Council at the request of Council Member Webb. He indicated that
there is an error to the table for Jamboree/MacArthur, reporting that the total
average collision should be 11.67 and the percentage should be 26 %. He stated
that he read the traffic and collision reports for the intersections listed and
reported that there is almost no mention of what the drivers were doing at the
Jamboree/Bristol South intersection that led to them running the red light.
However, at Bristol North/Campus, there were quite a few reports in which the
driver looked away and the light was red when they looked up again.
Mr. Edmonston reported that he talked to Costa Mesa and Garden Grove who use
photo enforcement. He stated that he did not get a lot of information about how
they determined the locations, but they generally look at areas with the higher
number of accidents related to red lights. He indicated that Costa Mesa paid their
vendor a fee to monitor the intersections and determine if there are sufficient
number of violations to warrant the installation of the equipment. He stated that,
once installed, Costa Mesa gets a flat rate per intersection plus a set amount per
citation. He emphasized that, by law, every citation is reviewed and issued by a
police officer. Further, if a person is within the first half second of the red light,
typically they do not cite the driver since they generally aren't the violators that
are causing problems.
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Mr. Edmonston believed that, at Bristol North /Campus, the cycle length throws
motorists off because the green light is on only half the length of time as usual.
He reported that the two intersections having nine collision violations a year
(Bristol North/Campus and Bristol South/Jamboree) are intersections that have
large sign structures on the approach that attempts to tell drivers which lane they
should be in. He stated that none of the drivers involved in the accidents at
Bristol North/Campus mentioned the signs; however, a number of drivers at
Bristol South/Jamboree indicated that they were looking at the sign and trying to
figure out which lane they should be in. He noted that there used to be a lot of red
light violations northbound on Jamboree, but Caltrans moved the sign further
away from the intersection. He stated that this might be considered at these two
locations since the City is positioned to take over those intersections and signs
later this year through their relinquishment of that piece of Route 73.
Council Member Webb asked if Costa Mesa has seen a reduction of accidents at
the intersections with red light monitoring systems. Mr. Edmonston stated that
they have not done a lot of analysis because it has been a short period of time. He
reported that Garden Grove has seen a reduction and noted that their primary
problem was that people ran the red light four or five seconds after it turned red
in order to make a left turn. Mr. Edmonston believed that a more detailed report
of the red light monitoring systems and experiences from cities that have used
them would be appropriate. He stated that the Costa Mesa Public Works
Department indicated that this has generated more work for their staff than they
anticipated. He noted that vendors were anxious a couple of years ago to put in
demonstration locations, but he is not sure if this is still the case.
Council Member Webb stated that he asked for a report because there was a
fatality in June at Bristol North/Campus. He noted that almost 71% of the
collisions at the intersection happened because someone ran a red light. He
expressed the opinion that the City needs to look at the intersections that are 50%
and above. He stated that the Police Department has a device which determines if
people have ran a red light, but they are not there 24 hours a day. He indicated
that, if the City can't install this type of system, it needs to look at some other
system to try to reduce the number of people running red lights.
Council Member Nichols stated that he went to traffic court. He noted that red
light tickets are one of the most expensive tickets and 75% of the people were
there because they ran a red light. He reported that 300 tickets were repealed
that were issued by Costa Mesa because the yellow light was not long enough. He
stated that he is worried that this could occur. He indicated that someone ran a
red light at MacArthur /Campus and he hit him. He noted that the intersection is
very wide and asked if they are given enough yellow time.
Mr. Edmonston reported that Costa Mesa installed cameras at locations where the
signals were controlled by Caltrans. He noted that the law requires that the
yellow time be at least as long as what the Caltrans manual states it should be
and, in Costa Mesa's case, Caltrans' signals weren't long enough. He pointed out
that the City controls its signals and would be issuing the citations. He
emphasized that a yellow light is designed to give people enough time to stop as
they approach an intersection. He added that, if there are problems with cars not
clearing the intersection, they could put in a period of all red lights so no one is
moving until the cars clear the intersection. He indicated that this is one of the
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reported advantages of the Costa Mesa vendor because their system won't give the
other direction a green light if it detects that a car may run a red light. He noted
that, if someone is going to be five or six seconds late, their detection zone may not
extend that far down the street. Mr. Edmonston reported that when the City did
its traffic signal optimization study, which will be brought to Council in two
weeks, they had very limited refinements to Bristol Street because Caltrans has
all seven intersections interconnected electronically. He stated that it is running
as best it can so traffic is not backed up into the adjacent intersections.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that he is not a fan of photo enforcement. He indicated
that, if there is a problem at Bristol North/Campus, it should be looked at and
other methods should also be reviewed to mitigate traffic collisions. He believed
that photo enforcement is the last resort.
Council Member Rosansky believed that the photo enforced intersections in Costa
Mesa are effective, but stated that people are almost stopping too soon at those
intersections. He asked if they are almost creating rear - enders. Mr. Edmonston
stated that this would be useful information if the City wanted to pursue this.
Council Member Rosansky indicated that this should not be a way to generate
revenue but the City should find a way to fix the problem.
Council Member Webb stated that he is interested in getting something started in
an area that has an excessive number of people running red lights. He indicated
that, if they are causing accidents, the City is obligated to look into as many
different things as possible and not rule out photo enforcement. Mr. Edmonston
reported that they purchased a traffic accident database program through a grant.
He stated that they are having trouble at the Bristol Street corridor because the
program thinks it's just one street. He indicated that they manually separate the
data for the two intersections. He reported that they wanted this program so they
could determine where the highest number of accidents were occurring and then
do engineering investigation.
Council Member Nichols indicated that he wouldn't support photo enforcement.
He noted that the offset intersection and offset traffic lights at Goldenrod/ Coast
Highway are working well and people aren't getting stuck in the intersection.
City Manager Bludau emphasized that staff would never recommend photo
enforcement based on increased revenues to the City. He asked when the
relinquishment will occur. Mr. Edmonton reported that it will occur in
October /November 2004. Regarding Bristol Street, he confirmed that the street
has a set electronic sequencing time.
Mayor Ridgeway believed that one of the most difficult intersections is Bristol
North/Birch since there is a freeway off ramp. He stated that photo enforcement
would not do anything there.
Council Member Bromberg agreed that he hopes the City never sees photo
enforcement. He complimented Mr. Edmonston and staff for doing a great job. He
added that people have told him that the photo enforcement lights are targets for
bb guns.
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City Manager Bludau noted that the traffic synchronization project will be
brought back at the next study session.
In response to Council Member Nichols' question about the light at MacArthur/
San Joaquin Hills, Mr. Edmonston reported that the pavement on San Joaquin
Hills failed and the loops had lifted up out of the pavement. He stated that
General Services repaved it and the company needs to hook the loops into the
cabinets.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - None.
ADJOURNMENT - at 5:35 p.m. to Closed Session to discuss matters regarding
the Coyote Canyon Landfill.
The agenda for the Study Session was posted on August 4, 2004, at 4:30 p.m. on
the City Hall Bulletin Board located outside of the City of Newport Beach
Administration Building.
City Clerk
Recording Secretary
Mayor
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