HomeMy WebLinkAbout04/13/2004 - Study SessionCITY OF NEWPORT BEACH
City Council Minutes
Study Session
April 13, 2004 - 4:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Heffernan, Rosansky, Adams, Bromberg, Webb, Nichols, Mayor
Ridgeway
Absent: None
CURRENT BUSINESS
1. CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. - None
2. CITY PARKLAND ENCROACHMENT.
City Manager Bludau reported that this item went to the Parks, Beaches and
Recreation Commission (PB &R) about six weeks ago. He said staff felt it should
be taken to the City Council to provide direction to staff on a policy regarding
parkland encroachments rather than do an appraisal.
General Services Director Niederhaus introduced Marcy Lomeli, Parks & Tree
Superintendent, and Randy Kearns, Park Superintendent, and pointed out that
this process has been jointly worked on with Public Works and the City
Attorney's office. He noted that an additional piece of correspondence was
received via email from Laura Curran protesting the sale or transfer of
parkland. He also noted that the six property owners on Malabar and the owner
on Kings Road have all been very cooperative in assisting staff to find
documentation and the history of this issue.
Using a PowerPoint presentation, Mr. Niederhaus explained that there are two
encroachments. One encroachment is a single encroachment by a single
homeowner on Kings Road and the other six and possibly more are in Irvine
Terrace Park. He indicated that those are the two issues that will be addressed
today and that staff is looking for direction on how to proceed.
As far as the encroachment in Kings Road Park, it is a private encroachment on
the eastern park boundary and the improvements (fencing, landscaping and
irrigation) weren't discovered until December 2003. When the encroachment
was discovered, staff approached the property owner and they indicated an
interest in resolving the issue. He noted that the current property owner
inherited the encroachment when they purchased the home approximately one
year ago, however the encroachment probably goes back 20 -25 years. The
encroachment includes about 1000 square feet of private improvements. When
the matter was taken to the PB &R Commission after the staff denied the
encroachment permit, the Commission directed a 60 -day delay in the removal of
the improvements to allow staff time to conduct an appraisal and land survey of
the encroachment. Mr. Niederhaus indicated that staff found those services to
be very expensive so they approached the City Manager who directed staff to
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bring this item to the Council. Using an aerial photo, he showed the
encroachment area and pointed out that Kings Road Park is a small pocket view
park that has an upper and lower section. He noted that the fenced off area is
approximately 1000 square feet and includes private improvements. He pointed
out the slope area and noted that it is at the northern end of the encroachment,
is very inaccessible to the public and has limited value. He showed pictures
looking down the slope, explained the improvements on the property and noted
that evidence was found of homeless living in the area. Mr. Niederhaus
explained that the City cleared the area when the fence was installed to keep
people from falling away from the park property. He noted that the
encroachment extends from left to right down the hillside. He said there were
survey markers that show the property line and there is a sewer easement
inside of the encroachment that services the Hackler residence and goes down to
the bottom of the hill. He noted that the area is landscaped with king and queen
palms and irrigation.
Mayor Ridgeway pointed out property in the area where escrow is about to be
closed with the Orange County Sanitation District (OCSD). The OCSD plan to
build a new pump station and they are working with the Coast Community
College (CCC) across the street for the excess land. CCC is in desperate need of
expansion facilities. He noted that the ultimate plan shows a pedestrian bridge
from the new classrooms. Mayor Ridgeway stated that the LCP Committee has
identified this as an ideal location for coastal access for everybody in the
community up above. He noted that the access will probably go across parkland
and there is an opportunity for a dedication through the CCC project over to the
CCC. He explained that he is providing this information as background and
noted that he will be opposing this because of these reasons_ In response to
Mayor Pro Tern Adams, he explained that the access would probably be provided
by switchbacks in order to be ADA compliant. He further noted that the
conceptual plans on the highway show an elevator and totally ADA access for
the bridge.
Council Member Webb said he recognizes the importance of the coastal access,
however voiced concerns with switchbacks because of the degree of slope. He
said he believes the neighborhood needs to review this and look at it as far as
that type of access is concerned. He said the encroachment is a landscape
encroachment and stated that the landscaping is more attractive than the ice
plant. The encroachment has been there for probably 30 -40 years and no one
has had a problem with it. If it is legitimized with an encroachment permit with
the understanding that there is a 30 -day cancellation period with necessary
restrictions concerning insurance for watering, etc., it could continue to be a
better looking area than the adjacent park. He said he also believes that it
should not be sold.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that he would not support any type of appraisal or sale
of that parcel. Council Member Webb explained that the Hacklers have done an
excellent job of landscaping the area and he thinks it has added to the
neighborhood and the attractiveness of the slopes. He noted that the public
really can't get to the area due to the steepness of the slope. With an
encroachment permit, the City can ask the property owner to remove
improvements at any time. It gives the City the ability to have some type of
insurance that guarantees that should the irrigation lines break or there are
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problems, then the property owner would be responsible for repairing them. He
said that this is an area where the City should consider an encroachment
permit, but definitely not a sale. Mayor Ridgeway reiterated that the
information he provided earlier about CCC is all conceptual — there is no coastal
access through the park at this time, there has not been an approval for the
OCSD pump station, and there's not been approval for any type of CCC facility,
however these issues have been around for two years or longer. He said his
main concern is that this is a public park and there is a potential for coastal
access to be discussed on this site as the City works through the Local Coastal
Plan (LCP) update.
Referring to Irvine Terrace Park, Mr. Niederhaus explained that this
encroachment consists of six properties along the western boundary of Irvine
Terrace Park. He stated that the original fence was built in the early 1990's by
the City to prevent public access and to deal with other problems such as
vandalism and homeless people invading the area. The residents in some cases
have fenced off part of the parkland property, which from reading the history
was somewhat encouraged by the City, although not necessarily in writing.
They seem to have been encouraged to landscape, keep the area clear and keep
the watershed in good condition. In the late 1970's at least two of the property
owners acquired legal ownership of portions of the park. Four of the properties
were allowed to be transferred in ownership although it appears only two
accepted final agreements. He showed a pictorial of the extensive
encroachments that occurred in the area and noted that the matter has a long
history that goes back to the issue going before the PB &R Commission and City
Council in 1978. The PB &R Commission were briefed on this issue in February
2004. Staff was directed by the Commission to undertake further study of the
ownership and value of the land. He explained that there are six property
owners that live along Malabar and in some cases the encroachments are
minimal and in others there are extensive encroachments, which extend 30 to 80
feet. One of the property owners voluntarily did a poll for staff and information
in the form of a petition was received from all six property owners indicating an
interest in purchasing the parkland. Using an aerial photo, he described the
properties and indicated that the properties with the encroachments are from
700 to 730 Malabar. For two of the properties (718 and 724), the City has deeds
of transfer. He noted that the area is a fairly heavily wooded area which is a
watershed. There are two easements on the property — an Edison easement
along the upper area that goes through the backyards and a larger easement for
storm drains that extends down and across the back of the property. The Irvine
Terrace fence is along the boundary and on a steep slope. There are also gates
installed which seem to be part of the agreement that was done in the early
1990's with the then Parks Superintendent and the adjacent property owners to
allow them to have some privacy. The property owners were allowed to
purchase gates and staff has used the gates as access to go onto the property to
look at the encroachments with the cooperation of the property owners. City
staff replaced the locks so City personnel have access to the area as well as the
property owners. He showed pictures of the various encroachments in the area
and described them in further detail. He noted that the encroachment with the
structure on it was not one of the ones that was transferred — it was offered but
was not accepted. Council Member Heffernan noted that 30 to 80 feet is a
significant piece of real estate regardless of its practical usefulness. Mr.
Niederhaus confirmed that there may not be structures or landscaping in the
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entire 30 to 80 feet. He noted that when they arrived to investigate this issue
they found private locks on the gates, however they worked with the property
owners to replace them with City locks so that staff could access the property as
needed with their permission. When first installed, he explained that the City
allowed the gates to permit the property owners to use the playground, tennis
courts and restrooms in the park.
Council Member Webb indicated that to the best of his recollection when this
came up in the 1970's there was a situation where there was a slope with a lot of
trees and underbrush and there were significant complaints from the neighbors
that people were getting into the slope areas. The solution at that time was the
installation of a fence, which he said he believed was installed by the City with
perhaps help from some of the neighbors. The fence was installed at the top of
the slope as it broke over so some sort of security could be provided to keep the
children in the playground from going into the slope area, as well as to keep
people from going in there late in the evening to spend the night.
Mayor Ridgeway explained that he was on the Irvine Terrace Homeowners
Association when the relationship occurred between the City and the
homeowners. In response to Mayor Ridgeway, Mr. Niederhaus explained that
the only two that have been transferred according to the records were 718 and
724. He explained that 730 was offered for sale, however staff was unable to
locate an execution of an agreement. He noted that the rest of the property
owners never followed through on any type of purchase agreement. Mr.
Niederhaus noted that the land behind the Murray property is still owned by the
City and it's the smallest of all the parcels. Mayor Ridgeway stated that he lived
on Malabar around 1979, at which time the tennis courts and the wall were not
there and the park area was very deteriorated and not built out to what it
currently is. The problem that existed at the time was with the coyotes and pets
getting killed in the area, which he believes led to the cooperative agreement
between the current owners and the City. He indicated that the walkway
existed at that time; however the improvements and fence did not exist then. In
response to Council Member Webb, Mr. Niederhaus stated that the City has not
maintained any of the landscaping on the westerly side of the fence.
Mr. Niederhaus indicated that staff checked with the City Attorney's office and
the sale of parkland is addressed by California law and it deals with how the
park was purchased (what funds were used and whether or not the City can
transfer title). Before anything further can be done this would have to be
investigated in addition to doing a title search and appraisal
In summary, Mr. Niederhaus indicated that all of the areas are inaccessible and
have a reduced value to the City, and each one has at least one utility easement
on it. In the late 1970's the sale was authorized and at least two of the four
properties or a portion of them were sold or conveyed. There have been no
further approvals of private encroachments into the parkland or the sale of
parkland.
Mr. Niederhaus indicated that staff developed five alternatives. The alternatives
are: 1) approving or denying private encroachments; 2) approving or denying
sale of parkland property; 3) requiring land surveys and appraisals; 4) providing
direction to the PB &R Commission or staff on how to handle long term use or
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sale of parklands; or 5) developing a Council policy on the sale or conveyance
land in compliance with State law.
In response to Mayor Pro Tem Adams' question about an easement versus
transfer, Public Works Director Badum said that since it is a City park he could
envision some kind of an encroachment agreement that could be entered into
with each property owner for their use until such time as the City decides on
another use for that property. Mr. Badum noted that the current policies don't
allow staff to make such approvals; therefore it would have to be a decision
made by the Council.
Council Member Bromberg noted that the properties in Irvine Terrace are all in
his District. He said he agrees with Mayor Pro Tern Adams and Council
Member Webb and noted that the City has acquiesced to this and in fact helped
them along for the last 25+ years. He noted that there are all kinds of issues
involved (privacy, safety, etc.) and he can't see the City selling the parkland. He
said he believes the residents would probably be happy leaving it the way it
currently is. He said he would be very comfortable with an encroachment
permit or easement as long as it has appropriate conditions including insurance,
etc. He said he knows the City does not have adverse possession to a
government but it looks like this is something the City has helped create. He
said he would be fine with leaving it the way that it is, however formalizing the
situation with either an encroachment permit or easement.
Council Member Heffernan noted that the land has a value of probably $200-
$300 per square foot based on the price of the homes and giving them an
encroachment permit basically gives them the right to use public property for
free. He said if the City is basically going to give someone property then he
would like to see what the civic purpose of doing that is, other than being a good
neighbor. He said that if the land is appraised it would be valuable land for
someone who wants a backyard and the degree of privacy it affords. He stated
that the question is whether the City should be in the business of giving people
encroachment permits just because of past mistakes or oversights. Council
Member Bromberg stated that the City could charge a fee for it.
Council Member Nichols questioned whether any thought had been given about
the use of the property. He questioned whether any of the utility easements will
ever be moved. In response to alternatives, Mr. Niederhaus indicated that the
only thing that ever came to mind was a type of environmental nature center;
however it didn't seem to be very popular with the adjacent property owners
because that is why the fencing originally was installed. City Manager Bludau
reported that staff has not considered relocation of the utilities.
Council Member Webb reported that on property even more valuable than this
property (the Oceanfront beach encroachments) the City has allowed 10 — 15 feet
of encroachment with a fee. In general the City should work towards a policy
that states that encroachments are limited into the park areas to the maximum
extent possible and that each area is looked at separately so there isn't a "one
policy fits all" type of situation. He said that in the instance of the Hacklers if
they were to come in today and ask for an encroachment it probably wouldn't be
granted. He said the Irvine Terrace Park is a different type of situation since
there are no view constraints and no views to be protected. He said that the
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slopes are so steep that it would be very difficult to have safe public access
through them for uses such as an interpretive center. He noted that this is a
situation where the residents are using it and they are maintaining the trees
and landscaping which creates a beautiful border to the park. Council Member
Webb said that if the City were to sell the property it should place significant
restraints on what can be developed on the slope and rear area, so that larger
buildings and dwellings could not be built close to the park and the landscaping
can not be removed. The property should only be valued as a backyard property
and not as something that would allow for larger buildings to be built on the
other parcels.
Val Skoro indicated that he was one of the main instigators on trying to get
resolution of this particular issue. He said that this was brought to his attention
when one of the homeowners on Malabar was selling his property. He pointed
out that some of the encroachments are about the size of a lot in Old Corona del
Mar and the lot values in Irvine Terrace start over $1 million. He said there
needs to be some resolution from the standpoint of the liability issues. If
easements are granted and adequate monetary fees collected, the fees should be
used for park improvements.
Jan Vandersloot spoke in opposition to the sale of the land and also the
continued allowance of the encroachments. He said the reason the area isn't
used by the residents now is because of the fence. If it weren't there or if it were
put along the adjacent landowners' property line, the public would be able to use
that feature. He said that kind of feature would be a wonderful addition to the
park, similar to Castaways and Cliff Drive Parks. The growth of the vegetation
could be managed by City staff and volunteers to allow children to play in the
wooded area. In the case of Irvine Terrace the area could be a water feature,
part of the treatment of urban run -off and there could be a riparian area. He
said he believes it has greater value to the public than is being portrayed. Dr.
Vandersloot asked the Council to consider doing what is right for the people of
Newport Beach and not just the homeowners. As far as the Kings Road area, he
stated that the area can be landscaped with native vegetation. He stated that
he'd be happy to get involved and try to get some of the state agencies involved
to restore these areas. He pointed out that the City of Costa Mesa turned down
the issue of the sale of Fairview Park, but they did allow continuing
encroachments up to 39 inches. He urged the Council to provide an alternative
analysis to see what else can be done with the property.
Robert Walchli stated that from Ocean Boulevard in Corona del Mar to
Marinapark to the beach encroachments on the peninsula, it seems like every
year he has to remind the Council that the public's land is just that, the public's
land. He said that the Council has to stop people from taking over public
property for their own private use and profit. He noted that every time the
Council gives up public land to a private property owner it sets a precedence and
it shouldn't make any difference whether the land is useable or not. He
requested that the Council deny any usurpation of public land and require its
immediate recovery, wherever it is located. He said the City needs a policy of no
usurpation of public land regardless of where it is. He noted that a lot of the
property appears to be flat land and he agreed with Dr. Vandersloot that it
would be a wonderful environmental park. As far as the Kings Road property he
said it is his understanding that CCC has funds for the expansion. He
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Dennis Baker said he concurs with Dr. Vandersloot about putting the fence on
the other side so the property owners get to look at it instead of the park users.
He said that when the talk is about the property owners using the land it is
useable, however when the talk is about giving public access to it then the land
becomes unusable. He said he believes there could be some alternative uses for
the property and would provide a place for children to explore. He also noted
that homeless people already sleep in the park. Mr. Baker stated that he is
opposed to any sale of the land and allowing any future encroachments into the
area. He referenced the Huntington Library and said that the draw through the
area could be an attractive addition to the park.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that when there was no fence on the upper portion each
of the properties on Malabar had a grape stake fence that was installed by the
original developer.
Mark Murray said he has one of the homes where partial land was conveyed.
He said he bought the land in 1994 from a real estate attorney and since that
time they built a 600 square foot addition out to within 5 feet of the setback of
the property that they bought. He said his offer was contingent upon doing the
research with the utilities and he had to re -route the utilities. The seller
provided him documents from the City with the survey stating that the property
beyond the land conveyed was for the sole use of the homeowner, could not be
built on but could be landscaped. He stated that he would not have built a 600
sf addition out to within 5 feet of the setback if there was ever the potential of a
fence there nor would he have, bought the house. He noted that the slope at his
house is 8 feet, runs the entire length of the City property and it slopes down.
He noted that currently homeless people hang out there. He said the land with
the slope is not patrolable; it's a major legal issue and not the way it was
conveyed to him. He said the property owners have no problem with the City
having locks on the gates and they would love to have the City access the land
and maintain the trees. He said he spends thousands each year maintaining the
slopes and the trees and reported that he has had two major bough breaks.
Mayor Ridgeway requested a copy of the letter referenced by Mr. Murray. Mr.
Murray clarified that he is not claiming that he bought the land, however he's
claiming that the area was presented to him as parkland that he could
landscape and maintain. He voiced concerns about the legal language used such
as "usurp and encroaching on parkland ". Mr. Murray reported that a survey
was done and it showed that he built within 5 feet of the property that was
reconveyed to him and the property beyond the 5 feet is property owned by the
City, maintained by the City (which its not) and he's able to landscape it. Mr.
Murray indicated that there are CC &R's that apply to the land that was
conveyed to him and he built within the CC &R's.
Walter Hackler stated that moving the fence that is adjacent to his property
would not give the public access to the City property. He noted that the only
access to that property is from his property.
Jessica Joiner stated that she takes offense to the term encroachment since they
have not built any structures on the property; however they spend thousands of
dollars annually watering and maintaining the property. She stated that the
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fence was installed because of the transient nests in the area. She pointed out
that the pictures don't adequately show the steep slope and the vegetation. She
indicated that she has continued to plant more trees on the slope as a buffer for
the noise from the tennis courts, as well as for privacy. She said she
understands the liability issues the City is concerned about and reported that
they don't go back there. Council Member Bromberg encouraged the property
owners in Irvine Terrace to invite him to their homes to tour their yards. Ms.
Joiner indicated that they may possibly consider a purchase because they feel
that the money from the sale could be used for the completion of other parks in
the City which would benefit a broader range and more residents in the City.
Council Member Bromberg said he would like to see this item come back with
the same options presented by staff. He said hopefully Council will have a
better opportunity to look at the property and look at both sides of the issues
raised. He indicated that he'd like more information on the legal, liability and
safety issues as well. Discussion ensued about the valuation issue and whether
or not the property should be appraised. Mayor Pro Tem Adams suggested that
staff bring back some rough cross sections of the property in order to provide a
better idea of where the houses are, where the slopes are, etc. Council Member
Rosansky suggested that staff prepare a policy on how to deal with this type of
issue. Council Member Webb pointed out that the Council does have a policy
that deals with encroachments; however it may need to be amended to include
park areas. He said he concurs with Mayor Ridgeway that the Council should
not consider the sale of these properties, however may consider approving
encroachments permits. He stated that the fees collected from the
encroachments on the Irvine Terrace Park could be used for the maintenance of
all the trees and the property owners would accept all of that responsibility.
Council Member Nichols said he thinks the encroachments in some of the others
areas also need to be considered.
3. JOINT SESSION WITH PLANNING COMMISSION - GENERAL PLAN
UPDATE - PLANNING ISSUES REPORT.
Commissioners Present: Ed Selich, Barry Eaton, Earl McDaniel, Michael
Toerge and Jeffrey Cole
Commissioners Absent: Larry Tucker and Steven Kiser
Assistant City Manager Wood reported that this is the first of seven study
sessions with the Planning Commission and the City Council that are called for
in the scope of work for the General Plan update. The sessions have been
planned at junctures to make sure we're headed in the right direction working
with the General Plan Update (GPUC) and Advisory (GPAC) committees. She
noted that this session is to focus on the planning issues that have been
identified. She introduced Woody Tescher, EIP Associates consultant, to provide
an introduction and guide the discussion.
Mr. Tescher reported that the research was recently completed on all of the
existing conditions, trends, and characteristics of the City and a document was
produced containing the information. He indicated that the paper distributed is
a summation of the findings of the research, as well as some of the findings from
the visioning process from the perspective of the community. He indicated that
the document is intended to set in place a statement of fundamental underlying
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issues (problems as well as opportunities facing the City). He reported that the
document is organized according to a number of major topics: land use,
circulation, environmental resources, environmental hazards, community
services, infrastructure, etc. The columns contain a summation of the key points
that have been made and were made regarding those issues in the visioning
process, as well as those that emerged from the technical analyses that were
conducted for the research paper. Mr. Teacher reported that this set of issues
has been reviewed by GPAC and GPUC and will provide a foundation for a
series of topics that will be used to define policies in the subsequent phase of the
process. He noted that these are intended to be a statement of the key kinds of
concerns and opportunities for which policy will be crafted as the process moves
forward. He indicated that the hope is to view this document from two
perspectives: 1) are these valid issues, perspectives of the City of Newport
Beach; and 2) is there anything that has been missed. He indicated that if there
isn't sufficient time today for everyone to provide comments than a process can
be set up to provide the comments to staff so this phase of the project can be
completed in the next several weeks.
LAND USE (pgs. 1 — 7)
Mr. Teacher reported that the document addresses land use from a number of
different perspectives: 1) some statements about use and growth within the
community; 2) discussion about types of land use (residential, commercial,
mixed-use opportunities, industrial, recreation and open space, etc.); and 3)
specific types of concerns that were addressed regarding a number of very
specific targeted sub -areas of the City which were identified by a GPUC
subcommittee.
In response to Mayor Ridgeway, Ms. Wood reported that there are 38 members
on GPAC and 12 on GPUC and further explained that GPAC is the advisory
committee that was appointed to make recommendations on general plan policy
to the Planning Commission and City Council. GPUC is composed of three
Council Members, three Planning Commissioners and members of various
citizens' advisory committees and their role is to function as a steering
committee and guide the process.
Council Member Bromberg reported that the presentation has been provided to
two committees that he sits on (EDC and GPUC), so a number of those present
have already seen the presentation one or more times. He noted that it's been a
very productive presentation thus far.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that GPAC and the concept of a general plan
amendment with recommendations by the committee analyzing both the
visioning process and technical background report works well in a community
where there is a general plan which is "general ". He said the City's general plan
is so specific it creates constraints from the very beginning, which creates
problems. He said when he looks at the study areas; he questions how 38 people
can provide broad policy general plan comments when everything is so specific.
He said what is needed by GPAC, related specifically to the study areas, is
stakeholder input and interest in every study area because of the specificity of
the City's general plan, which he doesn't believe exists right now. He
encouraged the consultant to conduct individual meetings with individual
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they are the best ones to look at land use in the area.
Council Member Nichols reported that he has two or three comments per page
and doesn't think it's possible to present them at today's meeting. Mr. Teacher
explained that from the basic thrust of the statement staff was hoping to
determine whether the information is an accurate reflection or is the direction
that is reflective of the community of either the concerns or opportunities of if
something is missing. He indicated that general comments, etc. can be provided
to staff.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that the document addresses mixing commercial and
residential, however the words "mixed use" and "smart growth" are avoided,
which is inevitable with high land costs and the continued regional growth from
all sides. Mayor Pro Tem Adams says he thinks mixed use is reflected
everywhere throughout the document and he has issues with where that is
coming from. He noted that in the foundation work there is a lot of assumption
about the benefits of mixed use but they are really never articulated. He said if
that is going to become a major focus in some of these areas, he said he would
like to see a good foundation for it. Council Member Nichols stated that he has
gotten feedback that some of the mixed use in Cannery Village hasn't worked
out quite as well as everyone thought it would and also noted that there is
constant conflict in Corona del Mar because commercial and residential are close
to each other. He said he thinks mixed use residential needs to be examined to
determine if its working.
Commissioner Eaton reported that he had questions that he sent directly to Mr.
Teacher and based on those questions and answers there may be some changes
to the document. He reported that he and Commissioner Cole attended the
Planning Commissioners Institute recently and mixed use was the hottest topic
there. He said he believes the market is headed in that direction and there will
be market interest in that to a much greater extent than in the past. Mayor
Ridgeway explained that "mixed use — smart- growth" is to try to create jobs
right where the housing is and to lessen the congestion in the regional system.
In response to Commissioner Toerge's question about the "policy" and
"framework" columns, Mr. Teacher explained the intent of the columns.
Commissioner Toerge indicated a difficulty in understanding the difference
between two sections dealing with gymnasiums and athletic fields.
Commissioner Cole referred to the visioning comments and asked if an area is
identified later that should be included as mixed use if it would be too late to
add it. Mr. Teacher said it would not be too late and reiterated that the
visioning process was intended to be a framework and it is recognized that other
areas may surface. The visioning process focused on specific targets and it was
realized that after further discussion and analysis there may be additional
options that would surface. Where there are pre - existing specific plans, Mr.
Teacher explained that a series of discussion papers for each of the geographic
areas are being developed and in those papers some of the issues will be
summarized. There will also be a section that deals with what the land use
options are and one of the starting points listed are existing specific plans or
other efforts that have been defined to establish policy. As GPAC considers the
options for each area they will have the reference for what has been in place
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previously, including specific plans. Mayor Ridgeway asked Mr. Teacher
whether he thinks it's possible within the process to create a broad brush policy
for areas like Corona del Mar, referencing the Vision 2004 program and its
inconsistency with the character of the area. He questioned whether that type
of policy statement would be able to be created for each type of sub- category
and/or geographical area. Mr. Teacher indicated that the intent is to focus in on
the issues starting with the policies that have been defined today and defining a
series of issues. The inconsistency issue dealing with Corona del Mar will be
defined as an issue and will be a focus part of the discussion with GPAC. Mr.
Tescher explained that beyond GPAC there is a process built in to go back to the
community as the alternatives are defined through the GPAC process. In a
broader series of meetings with the public, the question about whether we're
headed in the right direction will be asked. He reiterated that the intent is to
establish policy to the extent that it can accurately reflect the views of the
people who are brought to the table as part of the process. In response to Mayor
Ridgeway, Mr. Tescher indicated that density and intensity will be looked at as
part of the process.
Referring to page 7, Commissioner Toerge stated that an additional constraint
in the airport region is that a lot of the properties are developed under ground
leases. He indicated that it is not included in the report; however it is a very
viable constraint which will restrict the ability to plan and develop the area in
the future. Mayor Ridgeway indicated that there are sales of the ground leases;
however they usually have SLR's attached to them, which is a constraint.
Council Member Nichols indicated that the City has predominantly been
commercial in that area, however it's evident that Irvine is moving into the area
with massive residential and questioned whether the City should be considering
that for the area.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (pgs. 8 — 12)
Referring to page 9 under "Retail Commercial" Council Member Nichols stated
that where it states that such uses could be located in the airport areas and in
other areas near the State Route 73 corridor, as far as retail commercial, there is
no residential in the area which means that it's not useable and the commercial
is not accessible all the time.
CIRCULATION (pgs. 13 — 16)
Referring to page 14 which states that the role of automobiles on Coast Highway
should be de- emphasized with enhanced accessibility for other modes
(pedestrian access from the beach to Mariners Mile) and traffic in Corona del
Mar shall be decreased, Mayor Ridgeway indicated that he believes it is a fairly
unrealistic comment. Council Member Nichols concurred by citing some
examples and said he believes the document opposes itself. Mr. Tescher
indicated that through the discussions of the committee these types of
contradictions should be identified, however noted that these are issues that
were identified during the visioning process. He said that during the process as
each of the land use options is defined, traffic analyses will be run and they will
specifically be looking at the conflicts to try to resolve them.
ENERGY SYSTEMS (water, wastewater, storm drain, solid waste. energy) (pgs.
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Mayor Ridgeway noted that on page 17 the discussion of the Groundwater
Replenishment System is not addressed and it will provide 100 million gallons of
fresh water daily by probably 2015. Referring to the comment about the
opportunity for the City to consider desalination plants, he indicated that is
unrealistic since they are only built where there is existing infrastructure and
the only infrastructure in Orange County is the AES plant in Huntington Beach.
SERVICES (fire and police protection, education, and parks) (pgs. 20 — 23)
Council Member Nichols said that in reference to parks there seems to be a
dichotomy. He noted that the Coastal Commission says there can't be use parks
in the coastal zone and then there is an indication that the City is in dire need of
use parks. He said he concurs with that; however you can't take all the land for
parks and put it into nature parks and then say we have no land for use parks.
He said that the City is trying to go to two approaches and maximize each on the
same land without any discussion.
Commissioner Eaton referred to page 22 which says there are largely urbanized
vacant parcels available for active park development, and stated that Mr.
Tescher pointed out to him that this came out of the land use section of the
technical background report and had to do with park designated parcels. Mr.
Tescher confirmed that the report contains an analysis of existing vacant lands
and documentation that portions of those may already be designated for
parklands. 186 acres of vacant land has been identified and some has been
designated as parkland and some has not. It was strictly an analysis of vacant
land; however the question of usability for the vacant land also comes into play
which will have to be investigated.
NATURAL RESOURCES (civil & cultural amenities, biological resources,
hydrology & water quality, air quality, topography, visual, mineral and cultural
resources) (pgs. 24 — 30)
Mr. Teacher explained that SOI is "sphere of influence ".
HAZARDS (coastal, seismic, geologic, flooding & fire hazards; hazardous
materials management; aviation hazards and noise) (pgs. 30 — 35) — No
comments.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that he believes it's a fair assessment that the citizens
and Council will probably be looking at basically land use and traffic issues.
Jan Vandersloot, GPAC member, said that he concurs with the Mayor that the
focus should be directed on land use and traffic since he doesn't think GPAC is
doing much analysis in those areas. He said that whatever is decided it must
pass muster with the traffic implications of what land use development there is.
Referring to page 22 which states that the City is not meeting its goal for
parkland and the City has identified a 2010 parkland need of 455 acres, which is
115 acres more than existing inventory and approximately 77 acres more than is
expected to be available in 2010, he stated that the City needs more park space.
He questioned where the City will get the park space and referred to the
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previous agenda item related to the encroachment issue on Irvine Terrace where
there is park space that could be used. He stated that one of the places with
enough land for park space is the Banning Ranch property. He further stated
that this property is frequently discussed at the GPAC meetings and could be
used for both passive and active park uses. He said the City should be
considering ways in which the Banning Ranch property can be acquired.
Referring to his email which identified statements on pages 5, 6 and 7 dealing
with multiple ownership of parcels inhibiting the area's cohesive and integrated
development, he said it is framed as a policy statement. He questioned whether
that is a policy that the City wants to encourage and questioned whether the
statement is true. Dr. Vandersloot stated that he doesn't think it is true and
believes that a cohesive policy for development can be written and it doesn't
need to be bundled up into single ownership of multiple parcels. He stated that
this came from Carol Hoffman who is not a member of GPAC; however it got
insinuated that it came from GPAC, and asked how it made it into the
document.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that he belongs to the Urban Land Institute and noted
that it is a constraint on cohesive and compatible development. He stated that
this is the whole idea behind redevelopment agencies.
Phillip Lugar, GPAC co- chair, thanked the consultant and staff for the
information they bring to GPAC and stated that the committee has been
provided the documents to be well informed. He indicated that they meet
numerous times per month and said he senses that some people may be
uncomfortable about what they're doing and how hard they are working. He
said they have representatives from all of the "villages" and concerns around the
City. He said perhaps more information needs to be shared with the Council
and Planning Commission to assure them how hard the committee is working,
what they're doing and the make -up of GPAC.
Mayor Ridgeway stated that the document presented today is extraordinary and
well put together and everyone should be commended. He personally thanked
the members of GPAC for the untold hours they are putting into the process. He
encouraged the Council and Commission members to forward any additional
comments on this document to Assistant City Manager Wood or Planning
Director Temple.
PUBLIC COMMENTS - None
ADJOURNMENT - at 6:06 p.m.
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