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Study Session
April 23, 2013 — 3:00 p.m.
I. ROLL CALIF - 3:00 p.m
Present: Council Member Gardner, Council Member Petros, Mayor Pro Tern Hill, Mayor Curry,
Council Member Selich, Council Member Henn, Council Member Daigle
II, CURRENT BUSINESS
1. CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR
Council Member Henn reported that he will be recusing himself from Item SS3 (City Hall
Reuse Proposals) due to a business relationship with a business in Via Lido Plaza,
In response to Council Member Gardner's questions regarding Item 5 (Disestablishment of
Balboa Village and Marine Avenue Business Improvement Districts), City Manager Kiff
reported that the issue of providing ongoing funding will be presented to Council during budget
deliberations.
Regarding Item 6 (Central Parking System (CPS) Parking Meter Services Agreement), Council
Member Gardner noted issues with the timeline and questioned why the City is paying more.
City Manager Kiff indicated that the additional cost is to pay for higher CPS staff costs and
pointed out that reductions in the City's staff costs are not seen in the agreement.
Council Member Petros referenced Item 4 (Measure M2 Environmental Cleanup Grant
Program) and noted that the report indicates that the Tier Il Grant Program could include
funding to dredge the Semeniouk Slough, however, he expressed concern that waiting for grant
funding does not compromise scheduling for the City's obligation to dredge the Slough. Public
Works Director Webb reported that it will not compromise the ability to move the project
forward and is included in the Capital Improvements Program (CIP).
Council Member Petros announced that he will be recusing himself from Item 3 (City Hail
Reuse Proposals) since he has previously had a business relationship with one of the proposers.
2. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON DISCUSSION ABOUT CURRENT AND FUTURE
ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE
Eddie Marquez, Southern California Edison, provided a PowerPoint presentation to discuss
system outages, types of outages, power interruptions, planned and unplanned outages, capital
improvement projects completed in 2012, capital improvement projects pending in 2013, and
energy partnerships with the City. He noted that the City will be receiving a check for
$261,000 as a savings incentive related to the new Civic Center facility. He also addressed
their program which provides incentives to businesses for implementing energysaving
equipment.
Council Member Gardner acknowledged the great programs offered but noted that when the
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City was considering the oil fields and converting methane into electricity, it was determined
that the City would have to pay Edison a penalty because it wasn't using electricity and stated
that there seems to be a disconnect.
Bob Root, SCE Senior Manager, addressed the vault replacement process and reported that
SCE plans on meeting with the City to coordinate the operation. He stated that the process
takes about four months, including planning and construction. He reported that the intent is to
minimize disruptions to customers during the construction process and reported that the vaults
will be replaced in the same locations. Council Member Daigle expressed concerns over the size
of the vaults, noting that rights -of -way are being crowded with equipment.
In response to Council Member Selich's question, Mr. Marquez stated that load testing on alley
light poles in Balboa Island is part of the regular inspections performed by SCE. Ernie
Solazano of SCE explained the inspection process and schedule.
Mayor Pro Tom Hill expressed concern regarding how rehabilitation work is prioritized for
specific areas. He noted that the City has significant projects that will have large power
requirements and questioned the availability of reliable power on the Peninsula. Council
Member Henn reported that he lives on the Peninsula and that there are significant outages in
the area three or four times a year. He stressed that the infrastructure on the Peninsula is
dated, exists within one of the most corrosive areas in the City, and that there is no project
addressing the reliability on the Peninsula. Andy Garcia of SCE discussed the engineering
challenges when dealing with the Peninsula. He indicated that there is not much that can be
done to increase the reliability of services on the Peninsula, but indicated that there are options
that have been considered. Mayor Pro Tom Hill questioned whether it would be helpful to
modernize the existing equipment on the Peninsula and commented that the equipment on
Fashion Island is much newer and is included in the schedule; however, the Peninsula is not.
Mr. Marquez reported that older equipment that needs repair is placed on the schedule for
replacement and/or repair. Mr. Solazano reported that, through regular inspections, if it is
determined that equipment does not need replacing; it will not be replaced unless it is corroded,
damaged, or failing.
In response to Mayor Pro Tem Hill's question whether incident reports throughout the City are
standard and whether they show that the Peninsula has more incidents of surprise outages
than other areas, Mr. Solazano reported on the existing circuits throughout the Peninsula and
stated that there was no significant data that stood out relative to the Peninsula. Mr. Marquez
stated that SCE will review the data for the last 12- months and "identify what specific outages
were on the Peninsula.
Council Member Daigle addressed the growth in Fashion Island and inquired whether the
projected plans are capacity -based improvements. Mr. Root noted that the improvements are
based on the system.
Council Member Henn pointed out that, if an area is identified as having a higher frequency of
problems, there should be a higher frequency of inspections and equipment replacement. He
believed that efforts should be prioritized based on the experiences of the area. Mr. Marquez
reported that SCE proactively looks to identify problem equipment and make necessary
improvements.
Mayor Pro Tern Hill stated that residents of the Peninsula deserve the same level of
infrastructure and reliability that the rest of the City has and noted that areas on the
Peninsula are going to be developed and will have additional power requirements. Mr.
Marquez noted that SCE constantly monitors the entire system and does not focus on one area
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over another
Charles Griffin discussed his experience and background with electrical power. He
recommended that Council look into hydrogen fusion as a new source of energy and explained
the process.
Jim Mosher addressed the Rule 20 undergrounding project at Marina Park, as well as an item
to be considered under Closed Session tonight. He questioned whether the item applies to
undergrounding.
Denys Oberman reported that the Lido Peninsula has had no growth and noted that residents
want the quality and type of economic growth that will revitalize the area. She indicated that
the area deserves to be a significant economic area for the City.
Council Member Henn stated that he is unsatisfied with the presentation given by SCE and
that he would like to get a better view of the power failure statistics on the Peninsula, as well
as how SCE plans to improve services. Mr. Marquez indicated that he will work with Public
Works Director Webb to address Council's specific concerns and report back in the future.
3. FIRST LOOK AT CITY HALL REUSE PROPOSALS (PA2012 -176) - 3300 NEWPORT
BOULEVARD AND 475 32ND STREET
Council Members Henn and Petros recused themselves and left the dais.
City Manager Kiff emphasized that no specific action will be taken at this time, but explained
that the purpose for today's presentations is to learn about each proposer's vision for the site,
ask questions, and offer comments. He stated that staff is impressed with the work that went
into each of the proposals, expressed his appreciation to the proposers, and provided a tentative
schedule of the process.
R.D. Olson Development
Bob Olson, R.D. Olson Development, presented a proposal for a hotel as a new gateway to Lido
Village and Lido Peninsula. He provided an overview of the company, presented details of the
concept which is comprised of a 130 -room boutique hotel called, "The Lido House Hotel". He
highlighted the upscale restaurant, spa and fitness center, architectural style, bay/beach park,
ballrooms and meeting rooms, rooftop lounge, and viewing deck, and introduced his design
team from WATG. He listed the design firm's experience, projects, and track record.
Greg Villegas, WATG Associate Vice President/Director of Construction, presented the team's
goal for the project, the upscale architectural style, site analysis, main features considered, an
aerial view of the proposed concept, as well as dispersed and stepped massing. He addressed
the retail element, landscape linkage to other areas, and highlighted other features and
amenities. He presented details of the ground floor layout and discussed elevations.
Matt Walker, Executive Vice President of Destination Hotels and Resorts, and Michael Fosser,
Management Director of their Del Mar property, noted the intent of the design is to create a
unique hotel and unforgettable guest experiences.
Bruce Baltin, Senior Vice President of PKF Consulting, addressed projections, market studies,
fiscal and economic impact analysis, and economic benefits.
Mr. Olson discussed community benefits due to the project and addressed project execution,
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implementation and schedule. He listed the qualifications, expertise, and experience of the
team as reasons for choosing R.D. Olson Development and explained why this is the best hotel
site in Lido Village,
Council Member Gardner indicated that she likes that the plan saves the existing ficus trees,
that it is set back on the property, and that it has a green area surrounding it. She asked about
the proposed parking plan and the rooftop deck.
In response to Council questions, Mr. Olson stated that his team believes it is a great hotel site
since it is a bridge between the bay and the beach. He further highlighted where the parking
will be located and Mr. Walker commented on the rooftop deck. Mr. Bolton discussed the
economic differences in magnitude between hotels versus apartments. He stated that residents
would shop in a wide range of areas versus hotel guests spending 100% of their money in or
around the hotel during their stay. He added that shopping is the #1 tourist activity and noted
that Transient Occupancy Tax (TOT) is an important producer of tax revenue to a city. He
projected that there would be an average of $17 million generated over a 10 year period ($1.7
million per year) in annual direct revenue to the City as a result of the proposed concept.
Mayor Pro Tem Hill commented positively on the plan, specifically as it relates to the rooftop
deck, the iconic corner, and the site usage and massing; however, pointed out that the pictures
versus the floor plans did not match and asked Mr. Olson to expand on the four new hotels that
his company recently completed. Mr. Olson listed the hotels, noting they are all Marriott -
branded hotels and are each reflective of the communities in which they are located. He
addressed financing, equity, investments, and target markets, and reported that the goal is to
attract a balance of leisure and business customers.
In response to Council Member Daigle's question, Mr. Olson reported that everything they own
is ground -up construction and indicated that their preference is to own the land.
Council Member Selich commended the design, stated that the area along 32nd Street appears
to have sufficient parking, and suggested continuing the same treatment along Newport
Boulevard and along 32nd Street. He asked whether there is a plan to move parking onto the
82nd Street side or construct a partial underground parking. Mr. Olson stated that there is an
opportunity to park along 32nd Street and believed that public parking is an important part of
the plan. He indicated a willingness to work with Council and staff to generate a solution that
works for everyone.
In response to Council Member Selich's questions, Community Development Director Brandt
reported that the requirement for a Greenlight vote (Charter Section 423) relates to limitation
on square footage and would not apply to the project as currently proposed. Regarding
construction type and framing, Mr. Olson stated that the hotel would have wood -frame
construction with integrated steel and some concrete, and there would he wood, brick, and tile
roofing on the exterior. He added that the elevation treatment will be the same throughout the
building.
Mayor Pro Tern Hill questioned if the fire station were to be moved whether that would improve
the value of the property and help with site planning. Mr. Olson reported that it would likely
provide for additional guest rooms; however, the more rooms that are built would begin to
saturate the market and at some point the hotel would begin competing with itself.
Sonnenblick Development
Robert Sonnenblick, Sonnenblick Development, presented background on his company and the
team assembled for this project, including Auberge Properties. He addressed differences in
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public benefits between his project and the Olson project, and reported that they project that
their project would generate about $682 million of direct and indirect benefits over a 10 -year
period.
David Rose, Sonnenblick Development, presented a video that featured Auberge Resorts and
Spas. He addressed average daily rates and average guest expenditures, as well as features
and amenities of their various properties. He presented various perspectives of the proposed
concept, including a proposal for iconic art at the corner of 32nd Street and Newport Boulevard,
with another piece placed at Finley Avenue. He addressed concept plan elements which include
guest villas, restaurants, bars and lounges, spas, water features, enhanced landscaping and
bardscaping, event and pre - function spaces, enhanced entry paving, hotel meeting space,
townhouse villas, a pool deck, retail fronting, relocation of the Ficus trees and existing trees,
and the new landscape median on Newport Boulevard; and presented details of the general
public benefits of the project. He addressed parking and new landscaping in and around the
fire station and compliance with the Lido Village Design Guidelines. Mr. Rose addressed tower
elements, coastal architecture, existing egress and ingress, balconies and terraces, and
pedestrian connections. He noted that the parking is underground and addressed the number
of spaces proposed.
Dan Wilburn, Gettys Group, presented concepts of the proposed interior space and noted that it
becomes the connection to the community and is about coastal luxury. He addressed, dining,
decor, specialty restaurants, the rooftop bar, the pool deck, ballroom and meeting rooms, the
event lawn, fitness center and wellness rooms, guest rooms and suites, elevations, townhouse
villas, and guest villas. He displayed a video which highlighted what the hotel will look like.
Mr. Sonnenblick provided background and details of the company's capabilities and hotel
experience. He highlighted hotel projects which they have been involved in, addressed public -
private partnership experiences, and presented examples of government buildings built and
owned by the company in partnership with municipalities. He also addressed financing and
ground lease financing. He discussed differences between his company's concept and the R.D.
Olson Development concept, including parking, and noted that his company's proposal includes
below -grade parking in addition to street parking. Mr. Rose presented details about the
development team, key amenities, benefits, and key statistics.
In response to Council Member Gardner's questions, Mr. Rose indicated that they were advised
that they could eliminate the existing public parking. lie also addressed the average daily
rates proposed for the hotel. Regarding the Coastal Commission's acceptance of the concepts,
Community Development Director Brandt reported that staff has been monitoring Coastal
Commission approvals of high -end hotels and there have been recent requirements to include
mitigation fees because they are not low -cost visitor - serving. Further, there may be a one -time
cost associated with the City pursuing this type of a development. She indicated that this
matter would be factored into the overall analysis of the projects.
In response to Council Member Selich's questions, Mr. Rose reported that they are viewing the
project as a partnership and met with various entities to obtain input to determine the final
materials. Chris B. Shay, G.W. Driver, reported that the construction materials will include
wood frame construction and steel. Mr. Sonnenblick stated that they only do design -build and
that the rooms, materials, and wall coverings will be pre- designed. He noted that the project
will come in on time and on budget. Mr. Rose added that design -build is very important to
them and addressed a timeline with large community outreach throughout the design process.
Council Member Selich commented on compliance with the Lido Village Design Guidelines and
believed that there is not enough open space around 32nd Street and Newport Boulevard. Mr.
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Sonnenblick discussed their entry configuration. Mr. Rose addressed the location of the iconic
restaurant near the intersection and the proposal to place the villas in the middle of the
project. He noted that the RFP called indicated a desire to not maintain the access from Via
Lido Plaza to 32nd Street.
Mr. Sonnenblick explained what attracted him to Newport Beach to make the proposal. He
agreed that this is a great site for a hotel, noted the plan to maximize water views and provide
local use of the hotel, and added that they encourage use of the hotel's internal spaces by the
general public. He noted that Hoag Hospital is a huge generator of people and stated their
intent to work with them to encourage use of the amenities. He reported that his company has
secured financing for most of their projects and addressed equity. Mr. Rose added that the
walking areas are intended for residents and the public; adding that it is envisioned that public
events will be held at the site. He reported the potential of building additional residential and
retail on Lido Oporto and viewing the project as a catalyst for redevelopment of the entire
area.
Mayor Curry expressed appreciation for their efforts to have public art.
The Shopoff Group
Bill Shopoff, The Shopoff Group, presented details of their proposal and addressed compliance
with the General Plan and Zoning Code. He discussed who is on the development team,
addressed funding for the site development and construction, and commented on the history of
the site and surrounding properties. He addressed accessibility, use and visual appeal, and
presented an overview of the proposal which includes residential units, retail, restaurants, a
town square, open space, and a community meeting room, and discussed the size of the
apartments, target market, and potential unit mixes.
Peter Wolff, The Wolff Company, presented background about his company, reported that the
project is the gateway to Balboa Peninsula, and noted the importance of treating the scale
properly. He addressed massing, open space, circulation, connections around the site, public
spaces, town square, water features, landscaping, interior plaza, and community room,
communication with private areas, parking, entrances, focus on public and private open spaces,
and architectural design and materials. He added that the community room is within the
public space and addressed the size of the room.
Mr. Shopoff indicated that the key attributes of the proposal include pedestrian ways, public
open space, landscaping, water features, relocation of the existing Ficus trees, scale, vehicular
access, public and resident parking, scheduling, and availability of capital. He addressed
average rental rates, retail tenancy, and overall economic values to the City, He reported that
residential lease revenues are not as sensitive to seasonality and economic flux, and noted that
long -term residents will contribute to the long -term fabric of the community. Mr. Shopoff noted
the importance of accessibility to onsite parking and the long -term nature of ownership
attributes to the success of retail businesses.
In response to Council Member Gardner's questions, Community Development Director Brandt
reported that staff has not seen any type of mitigation fee associated with residential projects,
but that concerns regarding visitor - serving amenities will have to be addressed with the
Coastal Commission. She reported that the Coastal Commission sees the addition of retail to
the area as a benefit, along with having residential. Mr. Shopoff added that the proposed public
space can also be used to the concept's advantage with the Coastal Commission.
Council Member Selich commented positively on the proposal, but expressed concern about the
lack of vertical articulation. He stated that the Coastal Commission considers residential as a
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lower priority than visitor- serving and believed that pointing out the concepts of mixed -use and
open space are positive points to highlight to the Coastal Commission.
In response to Council Member Daigle`s questions, Mr. Shopoff addressed the community
outreach process, agreed on its importance, and emphasized the need to engage the neighbors.
He reported that the team will implement community outreach efforts.
Mayor Pro Tom Hill commented positively on the proposal, specifically on the use of public
space. He believed that the architecture need, to be worked on, but liked the outside decking,
the two schemes that hide the parking, and the flexibility of all- equity financing. Regarding the
relocation of the fire station, Mr. Shopoff believed that it would add intrinsic value to his.
project, but noted that they are at a cap with 99 units. He addressed scale, livability, and
approachability of the site, and stated that this will be the best rental building in the entire
Orange County area.
Mayor Curry opened the Public Comments portion of the meeting and invited those interested
to address Council at this time.
Hugh Helm, Lido Isle Community Association, agreed with the need to revitalize Lido Village,
reported that their resident poll shows that they strongly support a hotel on the site, and
believed that it will likely act as a stimulus for revitalization. He urged Council to listen to the
citizens of Lido Isle.
Brian Hoyle believed that a hotel is the best option for the community. He reported that the
Sonnenblick Development group has reached out to the community.
Bettina Deminger believed that a small hotel will bring energy back into Lido Village, but that
having residential units may not be the optimal use for the property.
Tim O'Neil spoke in favor of a hotel project on the site. He addressed plans for Balboa
Peninsula and noted that many of the projects depend on tourists and that a hotel will
accommodate the added tourist activities.
Willis Longyear expressed concerns regarding sub - letting on Lido Isle and spoke in support of a
hotel on the site, He believed that the economics do not support having residential units on the
site.
Nancy Helm believed that, of the two hotel projects, the Olson project is more inviting and
warm, and the residential units would become summer rentals with many absentee leases.
Roberta Feeler supported having a hotel and believed that either hotel proposal would be an
improvement to the community and generate economic development. She discussed the
economic vitality in downtown Los Angeles near the Staples Center and stated that Council has
the same opportunity in this area.
Warren Wymer expressed support for having a hotel on the site. Noting the recusal of Council
Member Henn on this issue, he expressed concerns with him not being present to support the
concept and that the remaining Council Members will only make decisions based on financial
reasons.
Mayor Curry expressed the opinion that all three proposals are good and noted the need to
review them in depth and detail, He emphasized that the City Council will make an informed
decision based on evidence.
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Charles Griffin expressed support for the hotel concept due to concerns with rising ocean water
levels.
Lucinda Boswell requested that Council ensure there is adequate parking in the area for
whichever concept is decided on. She expressed hope that there will be a way to get the hotel .
visitors into the area to also generate revenue locally, not just in the hotel.
Fred Barnes, President of the Lido Isle Board of Directors, indicated that the Board is in favor
of having a hotel in the area. He noted that his association has been approached by the two
hotel developers, but not the mixed-use developer.
Claudia Morehead expressed support for the hotel concept and believed that, between the two
hotel concepts, the Sonnenblick concept does not reflect the lifestyle of the area, is not the right
location for an Auberge Hotel, and having an underground panting structure may pose security
issues. She expressed the opinion that Mr. Olson has ties to the community, has a positive
track record, understands how to deal with the Coastal Commission, and presented a beautiful
concept.
Linda Klein expressed support for the hotel concept, noted how much revenue can be generated
from having a hotel, expressed concern about how much parking will be impacted by having
residents in the area, and emphasized the positive social and cultural impacts that will be
created from having a hotel.
Kevin Healy believed that the old City Hall site is an extension of Newport Heights. He
expressed support for having a hotel on the site and believed that Mr. Olson's proposal depicts
the area and its lifestyle.
Drew Weatherbolt expressed support for the hotel concept and concern for the amount of rent
The Shopoff Group wants to charge for the apartments. He pointed out that the area needs
revitalization.
Brian Park expressed support for the hotel concept. He expressed concerns about the
economics associated with the apartment project, particularly since the online version was
marked as confidential. He indicated that no parking accommodations were discussed for the
surrounding areas, regardless of what concept is chosen.
Dennis Borowsky, Balboa Peninsula Point Association Board Member, indicated that his area
favors having a hotel on the site, noted that Olson Development reached out to his group and
explained their project to them, expressed support for the Olson Development project due to its
aesthetics and price point. He noted that Balboa Village is going through revitalization and
believed that a hotel could help with that effort.
Judy Rosener tools issue that the presentations were difficult to see in the Council Chambers.
She expressed concern that two of the Council Members needed to recuse themselves from this
discussion, that financial information was not accessible, and that the apartments could be
rented to rehabilitation facilities. She emphasized that all information should be available,
especially if the area's Council representative cannot participate on this topic and represent
them.
John Van Aker expressed the need for the Peninsula to be revitalized.
In response to Denys Oberman's question, Mayor Curry indicated that the City Council is not
privy to the proposers' financial information. Ms. Oberman requested to receive the financial
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information as soon as available, took issue that some Council Members are indicating that the
apartment concept has less risk than the hotel concept, expressed support for the hotel concept,
and believed that a good traffic plan can be created for the entire Lido Village area.
Cindy Koller believed that West Newport, Newport Shores, Newport Heights, Peninsula
residents, and businesses support the hotel concept, especially due to the potential for
revitalization in the area. In response to Ms. Koller's question, Council Member Gardner
indicated that the Coastal Commission would probably favor a residential use if it had mixed
use. Ms. Koller indicated that she prefers the Olson Development project because it is a good fit
for the area, is set back from the street, preserves the two Ficus trees, and welcomes people into
the City.
Mayor Curry thanked everyone for attending and providing input.
City Manager Kiff reported that staff believes that an independent entity should review the
financial information and the information will be brought back to a City Council meeting before
any decision is made.
III. PUBLIC COMMENTS -None
IV. ADJOURNMENT -Adjourned at 8:18 p.m. to Closed Session
The agenda for the Study Session was posted on April 18, 2013, at 4:18 p.m, on the City Hall
Bulletin Board located in the entrance of the City Council Chambers at 100 Civic Center
Drive.
City Clerk
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